Have you ever been a part of a group and wondered why you were so disappointed by it? Maybe you were in a paid business group and felt that others discussed their personal lives too much, or not enough. When others don’t live up to expectations this can be a source of disappointment. On this episode of My Biz Bestie, Maelisa and Amber put on their psychologists’ hats to discuss group norms and why they are important to creating the right inner circle. If you have ever been a part of a group you will want to listen to this episode to help you understand how expected norms affect the group experience.
What are the rules of your tribe?
You use group norms every day without even thinking about it. Group norms are an unspoken and unwritten set of social rules that govern the behavior in any given group. They are based on the type of group and differ based on the different social situations that the group is involved in. These unwritten rules guide the tribe, squad, posse, or group and lead to the expectations within. You can feel when someone is out of place when they aren’t meeting the expectations or following the norms. Think of some different groups you are in, how do your expectations of it vary based on the differing group norms?
What are ways to think about squad rules to get your expectations met?
People often join business groups, paid masterminds, or networking groups based on an understanding of perceived group norms. To have your expectations met you need to have clearly defined rules that you understand. When the rules seem like they aren’t being followed it can lead to conflict and disappointment. Conflict is really an expectation that is not being met. If your expectations aren’t being met this can cause a personal crisis and lead to doubt as to why you are in the group in the first place. Have you ever left a group when you discovered that it didn’t meet your expectations?
How to get the best value out of your group
If you are interested in joining a paid mastermind or networking group then you need to be intentional about what you are doing. When you are not thinking about the social norms of the organization then you are setting yourself up for disappointment. One way to be clear about the norms is to simply ask what the rules are. You will get more value out of the group if you are able to express what your expectations are. Be thoughtful about what you are looking for and what you expect. Clearly defined expectations help to prevent hurt feelings or disappointment later on. Listen to this episode to hear more about how you can get the most value from your tribe.
Evaluate the norms of your squad
If you wonder why you are feeling disconnected from the tribe or if you are disappointed in the group you may want to consider whether the group norms are right for you. Get clear on what exactly they are and evaluate whether they are right for you and your goals. You don’t want to be a part of a tribe where you expect one thing and then it doesn’t happen. You will get more value out of the group if you are able to express what your expectations are. If you are looking to expand your network and open yourself to more opportunities then take a peek at the My Biz Bestie Networking master class. It could be exactly what you need to find your ideal squad.
In this episode…
- [2:02] What are the rules of your tribe?
- [4:38] What are ways to think about squad rules to get your expectations met?
- [6:42] An example of boundaries
- [9:55] How to get the best value out of your group
- [19:46] Evaluate the norms of your squad
- [24:02] Deciding whether to stay or leave the group
00:00:24 - Maelisa Hall
Welcome to season three of the My Biz Bestie podcast. I'm Melissa Hall.
00:00:27 - Amber Hawley
And I'm Amber Hawley.
00:00:29 - Maelisa Hall
And today, we are talking to you about hashtag squad rules.
00:00:38 - Amber Hawley
Love it.
00:00:38 - Maelisa Hall
Hashtags are like our new thing because we're so cool.
00:00:42 - Amber Hawley
We're so cool that hashtags are our new thing in 2018. I was like, is it really our new thing or was that just an inside joke when we were getting delirious in our GSD excessive weekend and we just kept hashtagging every single thing we had to say? I know.
00:00:59 - Maelisa Hall
I know. And then I went and found... There's this awesome skit you can look on YouTube. It's an SNL skit with Jimmy Fallon and Justin Timberlake. And they're talking in hashtags. And so I found it to send to Amber because we were doing that during our little weekend together.
And I think it's from... I don't know. It's really freaking old.
00:01:18 - Amber Hawley
It's really old.
00:01:19 - Maelisa Hall
It's from like six years ago or something. And I was like, man, that's like so old. I know. It's prehistoric.
00:01:26 - Amber Hawley
Hashtag prehistoric. Hashtag so early 2000s. No, actually not, but okay.
00:01:37 - Maelisa Hall
Hashtag pre-iPhone 5. I don't know. But it just made me realize like, wow, yeah, I guess I should have been on Instagram a long time ago. But really what we are talking about today is like, what are the rules of your squad, your tribe, also known as group norms?
Yeah. So now as we get nerdy about it, because we are both psychotherapists, group norms are actually like a really big thing that we all like that you are using every single day all the time without thinking about.
00:02:12 - Amber Hawley
Yeah. Academic smackdown people. My bestie learning moment.
00:02:19 - Maelisa Hall
And so if you did not take a social psychology class in undergrad, then what are group norms?
00:02:25 - Amber Hawley
So I looked up some definitions.
00:02:27 - Maelisa Hall
And of course, just to be specific about shit. So basically, group norms are unspoken and often unwritten set of informal rules that govern your individual behaviors in a group. So they're really based on the group and the issues that are important to that group.
So different groups will have different group norms, obviously. So if you go to a professional meeting... there's one set of group norms there, which is very different than the group norms if you go to a club, right? But both of those settings, yes. Unless you go to FinCon.
And they're kind of the same thing.
00:03:07 - Amber Hawley
Yeah. Hashtag FinCon. Yeah. Hashtag FinCon frat.
00:03:14 - Maelisa Hall
But, you know, One of the definitions they said without group norms, individuals would have no understanding of how to act in social situations. And so they are a good thing because they guide us and they give us like these rules to follow so that we all know when someone's acting like out of place.
right? Like we know if somebody doesn't know the norms of the group. And I think you see situations like this happening in movies all the time.
00:03:39 - Amber Hawley
Think of like pretty women or whatever. It's the expectations. It's really what are our expectations from any given group. And like Melissa said, they exist whether we think about them or are aware of them or not. You have them within your family. Every family has their group norms as well.
And in like therapy groups, we talk about like group norms are set where we talk about the floor and the ceiling. So like how deep do we go? How in-depth and personal and vulnerable do we get? And like what is allowed to be talked about? And it's not always done explicitly.
But what we wanted to talk about today is specifically when you're thinking about building that, we're calling it squad now because we're so trendy. So we are so trendy. And so whether we've called it our inner circle, we've called it our tribe, we've called it our mavens group, like there's many different ways and iterations of that.
But your squad is kind of like that layer, that second layer of inner circle people in your life that are your business support system. And so, you know, what are ways to think about squad rules to get your expectations met? Because, you know, we don't want to be in a group where we're expecting one thing out of it and that's not what's happening.
00:04:51 - Maelisa Hall
Yeah. And I think this is actually the cause of a lot of conflict, right? Or disappointment because...
00:04:57 - Amber Hawley
I'm sorry to cut you off, but in all my years of teaching many psychoeducational groups, we would define conflict as an expectation that is not being met. We have another My Biz Bestie academic teaching moment here. That was a mouthful.
00:05:17 - Maelisa Hall
I like it. I like it. Yes. Yeah. We are professionals, people. So yeah, I mean, but this is where like a lot of times when the group is new, people are kind of on their best behavior and you're kind of testing things out. Or if you think about like you join a group, whether it's like a paid group or you start a mastermind, you're kind of like testing things out, figuring what kind of language you can use and how much you can joke around and how deep you can go when you're joking around, how deep you can go.
Like you were saying, like what's the floor or the ceiling for like how vulnerable you can all get. You're testing all of those things out. sometimes in the midst of that testing, or sometimes you come in and you feel like that's all really clear and maybe everybody is pretty clear about it and then someone does something different or you expected something different and that's not what happens.
And that's where a lot of disappointment comes in because you're like, whoa, whoa, whoa, what's happening here?
This is not what I thought it was. And being at part of groups like we're talking about where it's more like your inner circle or a mastermind or something like that, these are groups where you're investing time and energy. maybe money too, right? So these are groups that are valuable to you.
And a lot of times that can be hurtful or extremely disappointing if you think, wow, I've been investing all this time and energy and now this group is not what I thought it was. And it kind of causes like a crisis, a moment of crisis where you're like, do I want to be part of this group?
Do I fit in? Is this a good group for me to be part of? Do I need to find another group? I'm never going to find another group, you know, and then you can spiral.
00:06:50 - Amber Hawley
You know, when you were saying that, it made me think of a couple networking groups I used to go to where like, I feel this is a leadership issue, but where somebody, they let people go on and on. It's like, oh, you have like one minute to share, you know, a little bit about yourself and your business or whatever.
And it's supposed to be around Robin. And then there's time for like networking or this or that. And I get so infuriated. when people are allowed to go on and on and on and on and on, and it like takes up the entire time. And it's just not proportional.
Like I have this sense of fairness, which is funny because I do love to talk, but I'm like, I'm at least aware enough. But those are the kinds of things, right?
00:07:26 - Maelisa Hall
And so obviously a networking group, you're just showing up and it's not- But that's such a good like actual example though, because I went to this networking group where the chick who ran it was really good about setting those expectations. And she would say, she would hold up her phone when we did the introductions and she would literally say, okay, she was so friendly and nice about it, but she was like, okay, I'm going to set my timer for 30 seconds.
So remember everyone gets 30 seconds and she would have her phone volume up super loud. So you literally, everybody in the group heard the timer when it went off at 30 seconds. And it was like, she was so nice about it, but she provided a little bit of structure so that like everybody knew.
And that really, yeah. And that would make it like, could someone still talk over the 30 seconds? Yes.
00:08:09 - Amber Hawley
But like, How rude. But yeah.
00:08:13 - Maelisa Hall
But how rude do they appear doing that with that kind of expectation versus someone who just says it and then lets everybody go on, right? Then it's kind of like, well, maybe our written group rule, our written group norm is 30 seconds, but our actual group norm is you go as long as you want.
00:08:29 - Amber Hawley
Yeah. No, exactly. I think that that's a really important distinction is to think about, yeah, what's being... I love that lady. She's brilliant. See, that's so cool because That thing pisses me off, man. It's just so disrespectful of people's time. So I don't know.
I'm just getting caught up in that. So that's the thing though. The beauty of what she did is boundaries don't have to be bitchy. Ooh, that's a good one. Hashtag boundaries aren't bitchy. Hashtag quotable. We're going to annoy ourselves with the hashtags.
00:08:58 - Maelisa Hall
I hope we're annoying you.
00:08:59 - Amber Hawley
I hope you find this funny and not irritating. But yeah, so let's talk about those groups that the more like inner circle type groups or even those paid masterminds that that happens.
00:09:15 - Maelisa Hall
Yeah, because this is where I think it can help so much to be really intentional about what you're doing. Because I've had experiences where I've joined groups and people have been really intentional about it and it's so awesome. And then I've been part of groups where...
I've joined and there's been no intention in whomever it was set up the group. It was just like, hey, let's do it. And I'm totally on board with that. I'm like, yes, let's take action. Bam, let's do this. Let's start this. I'm at the ground level. But then maybe I have expectations of how things are supposed to be and they're not met.
And then I get frustrated and disappointed and and question my loyalty to the group, right?
00:09:57 - Amber Hawley
And those tend not to be as valuable, the ones where you're not really thoughtful about that, which we do talk about in our mastermind episode with Natalie Ekdahl that, you know, that's why you don't want to just post in a Facebook group, hey, I want to put a mastermind together and it's all complete strangers.
I mean, sometimes, I mean, that works in a way for us doing that That's how we started our GSD group. How we all met is because everyone's self-selected. So you can get lucky. But at the same time, if we're being really thoughtful about building our business and vetting people, I think, yeah, there's more intentionality is more helpful.
00:10:30 - Maelisa Hall
Well, and they could be strangers, but have some expectations around it, right? So that you have some criteria. It's like you have your group criteria, but then you also have your expectations. Are you, for example... We've been part of a group. And one of the things I realized, I wanted to go into the group and share something that we were doing.
And I didn't know if that was acceptable in the group because nobody else had done that yet. But it also wasn't the type of group where it seemed like that wouldn't be acceptable. But it was also kind of like, oh, I'm about to do something that nobody else has done in the group yet.
So I don't know how everyone's going to feel about that. So instead, I posted like, hey, what do people think about this? Is this cool in our group or is it not? And I'm open to either one. But instead, I basically posted about like, what is the norm in our group?
Yes.
00:11:15 - Amber Hawley
I mean, that's one way. It's just to kind of ask those questions and have it talked about. So that's a good one. I'm thinking about there have been groups that I've been involved in or even like paid masterminds where my expectations weren't being met.
And yet I didn't voice that. I didn't talk to the group or if there was a leader, a leader about kind of this is what I'm looking for. And then, you know, I only kind of screw myself because then I continue to be disappointed. And sometimes it's because I realized like in the grand scheme, what I really needed from it, I could make happen.
And so sometimes it's not worth that conversation. And sometimes it absolutely is.
00:11:54 - Maelisa Hall
Yeah. But it takes a lot of energy, right? And a lot of times those are difficult conversations to have, whether it's like, hey, I don't think this is appropriate for our group, or I don't know if I want this to be part of our group, or whether it's, hey, a leader who's in charge of our group, I feel like other people aren't meeting expectations of the group and I need you to hold them accountable because you're the leader.
Those are really difficult conversations to have. But that's where... you'll get a lot of the value that you want to find out of a group or that's where you'll be able to actually improve a relationship rather than just kind of leaving something mediocre.
00:12:32 - Amber Hawley
Yeah, or checking out or disengaging. And so, yeah, it's very difficult. It's a very scary thing to feel like you're giving somebody negative feedback or criticism or critique, but there could be a lot of value in doing that. I mean, I think there is a lot of value in doing that.
And you do have to decide, like, is this relationship or this group or whatever, is that really... Is it necessary? Is it that important to me that this happens? So I guess thinking about intentionality, I know for you and I, this year, one of the things that we did is we reached out to a couple of people specifically to do a mastermind.
Because we have different groups that we're in, paid things, our Mavens group, other kinds of areas. But we were like, okay, what we're needing is this very specific thing where we're all at the same place.
Pace and we're in growth mode. And we want this collaboration and feedback where there's an expectation where people are going to show up and participate at a certain level. And so we wanted to create that. So we reached out to someone, one person we started with, and then kind of brainstormed from there about other people that we thought could potentially be a good fit.
And we were really thoughtful about having the diversity in the group to kind of address different areas and what different skills and valuable information or perspectives could people bring. And then we even said, I'm sure by the time that this airs, our group will be solidified, but we're still in the stages of, let's have a Zoom conference call with everybody just to see if personality is vibe.
And so I think we're being really thoughtful about that.
And so the thought of... Because we've had both bad experiences and good experiences with groups But it's more so, like you said, making sure time is very valuable. Our expectation is going to be met. And what are we looking to get out of the group? And being really crystal clear with people so that there aren't hurt feelings or there aren't disappointments and that we can really grow and support one another.
00:14:30 - Maelisa Hall
Yeah. Because I know I've been part of many, many groups. Paid, not paid, small, large, quite a variety. Yeah. over the past few years.
00:14:40 - Amber Hawley
Cultish, non-cultish.
00:14:44 - Maelisa Hall
And it's been so helpful when I've been part of a group and the leader of the... First of all, there has to be a leader in the group. There usually has to be. That's just how it is. And I think it's really helpful when there is a leader in the group. Whether that's...
Even the mastermind we're talking about doing, I think we're going to have one person run each week. right? Kind of like Natalie Ekdahl suggests. Because having someone designated to be in charge of certain things is just super, super helpful.
00:15:16 - Amber Hawley
Right. And that's still the way we're going to approach it. It's very equal, right? We shift who's kind of owning the tasks for that week or that month.
00:15:25 - Maelisa Hall
I think egalitarian was the word you were looking for there. Yeah. Did I not finish that word?
00:15:31 - Amber Hawley
Did I not finish it? I literally started thinking. I know. Yeah. OMG, people.
00:15:37 - Maelisa Hall
This is an episode without Adderall, everyone.
00:15:39 - Amber Hawley
Yeah, this is a non-Adderall episode. On both ends. Totes exhausted. But yeah, that's where... So I guess I was having trouble with the idea that all groups need a leader. In a way, yes. You need somebody to kind of take charge. But I think that you can also come to that agreement of, as a group, is there a consensus?
And is there a way that we can be shifting expectations or leadership? type duties, so to speak. Responsibility. Responsibilities.
00:16:09 - Maelisa Hall
Yeah. But it's really helpful when there's someone who's like, here are the expectations, right? When you know exactly what the expectations are of the group when you join. I literally was part of one mastermind where the person in charge was like, this is what you can share and then gave literal examples of how other people share and was saying like, for example, in this group, It's not acceptable to share this, but here we can do that.
Here we can talk about whatever we want to talk about. You can share whatever. And it was really helpful to have someone just come out and say that so that we all knew, yeah, okay, cool. We're all on the same page. We're all on board. This is what we do.
And usually if you join larger groups like a Facebook group or something like that, or if someone else is running some kind of group, or even doing an Instagram chat, like somebody's doing that.
They'll set expectations for what can happen and then the person in charge will delete comments or delete posts or whatever if they are not accepted as part of the norms for that group or that challenge. But it's really helpful to know that going in because number one, if you don't agree with it, then you can be like, oh, perfect.
That group's not for me. That challenge isn't for me. I don't need to waste my time. But you get to see... I just think having... those things are super helpful.
00:17:31 - Amber Hawley
And I think, you know, in some of the more close-knit inner circle groups, it's like, you know, for some people that we've talked to, they're like, oh, they don't really share a lot of personal information. I mean, they might do kind of like high-level personal information, but they don't get really vulnerable and in-depth in things.
And I think there's always finding that balance. And every group is different. Again, for us, like we've talked about, even in our BizBestie relationship, there's a lot of personal stuff and things that we share and discuss. And that's just as much something we talk about as the business and the marketing side of things.
00:18:07 - Amber Hawley
And so other BizBestie relationships, that's not how they structure it. It really is varied.
00:18:13 - Amber Hawley
And probably in any kind of business group, there's going to be... Even if you allow... you know, allow quote unquote, cause that's the group norms. If you allow that conversation of sharing personal stuff or struggles or whatnot, there's going to be a limit to it, you know, cause it's not a group therapy session.
So there's going to be, there might be support and collaboration, but then there's kind of this idea of like, okay, but now we're going to get back to business, so to speak.
00:18:38 - Maelisa Hall
Yeah. I think that's such an important point. Like that's a really good example too, because in certain places, like that's totally acceptable to have the mix, but And then others said, like some people would be really annoyed by that, right? Like totally annoyed that, you know, we're having all these personal conversations and what is supposed to be this business group.
And that's where it's helpful to establish, like it's so helpful if you talk about those things ahead of time, you know, because then you know, like, oh no, if I want this to be like all business all the time, I don't want to be in a group with people who are also talking about their personal life because that's just not going to jive well.
00:19:12 - Amber Hawley
Exactly. And yeah, because there are some networking things I go to, like, I wouldn't want to hear like a bunch of personal things from people I don't know. And it's a really large group and it just seems like inappropriate or why is this happening again when it's a very time structured kind of thing.
But like I go to a networking group here in Fremont every month we meet for lunch and it is an open group. So other therapists and it's a therapist group. Other therapists and healer type people can come and they're more than welcome because we're open.
But at the same time, there is a core group of us and we do share personal things. We do share when somebody had an anniversary or birthdays or struggles or personal things happen and their kids went off to college or preschool or kindergarten, first day, all kinds of things people are sharing.
And I love that mix, but that wouldn't be appropriate for every single one of the networking groups I go to.
00:20:03 - Maelisa Hall
Yeah. Yeah. And I think, I mean, I guess part of the reason we wanted to talk about this topic is that I feel like these are the things that we often don't think about But these are the things that create resentment or struggle for me a lot of the time.
When I come in thinking, I'm expecting this certain behavior of myself. And so I'm expecting this certain behavior of other people in the group too. And when I don't see it, then I get really disappointed. And then I question whether or not I want to invest my time and energy.
into this group. So I think it's something to take note of. If you are feeling like, why don't I feel connected to these people? Or why am I always disappointed by what this person is doing? Maybe that has something to do with your group norms. And it's helpful to evaluate that because maybe it's just something you can talk about and say like, hey, what do you guys think about this?
And establish some new group norms or at least know what is clear so you're no longer disappointed by other people's behavior.
00:20:59 - Amber Hawley
Yeah, because you're managing your expectations. So yeah, I do think it's important because you can then make the decision, like you might really feel connected to people and like them. But if it feels like, I'm going to say, let's say you give a ton to a group.
And so you're constantly giving feedback and support and sharing and promoting people. And you're really show up, but don't feel like that's happening for you. Then you need to be looking at, well, I mean, there are a few things to look at, but one of them could be like, is reciprocity...
Is there a certain level of involvement that you're assuming should be happening that other people don't agree with? That they're looking at it in a very different way. And so, you know, finding a group that supports that in a way that makes you feel good and not being left felt disappointed or rejected or resentful.
Like, I think that's just an important thing to look at, whether this is a biz bestie relationship or that squad that you have or any of these bigger groups. I think this is something to look at.
00:21:55 - Maelisa Hall
Yeah. And if you're the one who is different, then guess what? You're the one who's not following the group norms.
00:22:02 - Amber Hawley
So maybe you just need to find a group with different group norms.
00:22:06 - Maelisa Hall
Maybe that's just not the group for you.
00:22:07 - Amber Hawley
Yeah, or talk about it.
00:22:09 - Maelisa Hall
To meet those needs.
00:22:09 - Amber Hawley
Yeah, because I think you have an example, but I think sometimes it's just voicing it because people could be busy or distracted or they're going through something that you don't even know about. And then it's kind of like people recommit. So sometimes it's just having the discussion within the group to recommit to what is the group?
What are we looking for here? What is the purpose of it? Sometimes it really is just to continue to deepen relationships on a personal level. And that's great.
00:22:36 - Amber Hawley
But if you're thinking, okay, well, then that's not the place to be sharing your marketing page for feedback.
00:22:42 - Amber Hawley
It's just kind of adjusting those things. And so, yeah, sometimes it just needs a discussion. And you did that where you had a discussion about, hey, this is what I was expecting and it's not happening.
00:22:54 - Maelisa Hall
Yeah. And it was really uncomfortable. Super uncomfortable to be like, hey.
00:22:58 - Amber Hawley
I felt uncomfortable for you.
00:23:00 - Maelisa Hall
Yeah. Yeah. Where I was like, hey, this was literally the expectations of this group and I'm not seeing it. Here's what I'm seeing instead. And what was really helpful for me bringing it up was that it really made me sit and evaluate, okay, I know I have this feeling, but why?
How is that actually manifesting itself in these interactions physically? What can I see? What is observable? that I can show. So that helped me a lot because once I sat down and took the time to figure that part of it out, then I knew exactly why I felt that way, why I was dissatisfied.
And I had actual ways that the person I was reaching out to could help fix the problem. It wasn't just like, hey, this doesn't feel right. It was like, hey, this doesn't feel right and here's why.
Yeah.
00:23:50 - Amber Hawley
And that ends, this is a happy story because I feel like the leadership was extremely responsive. And I think everyone in the group benefited from that conversation that you had. Hashtag, you're welcome. Yes, it's the unsung heroes. And most people won't know who to thank, but I do.
00:24:11 - Maelisa Hall
But it was really freaking hard. But it was specifically because I felt like there was a really certain set of expectations at the beginning and those were not being followed. And that was why I was part of the group. So yeah, but it really took me a lot of time.
to sit and reflect, to figure out all those things. And that was a benefit to me because then I realized, well, okay, now that I have all of these actual examples, if this doesn't shift and if that is not what the group is supposed to be, then that's not what I signed up for.
And so that's my message to leave.
00:24:41 - Amber Hawley
Yes. And because you brought it up. And so there are many ways that this happens too. I know we've got to wrap this episode up, but it made me start thinking about our teams and the companies we're building and beyond that. It's like, you know, where they talk about, I think you and I at one point had talked about how in the medical field, when you have places that will talk that the norm is to talk about your mistakes and make that okay that you make mistakes, you end up with a place that actually does better than places where it's like, no, it's not okay to make a mistake.
So if you're in a company where you get kind of chastised or negative feedback every time you make a mistake, and there's not a room for growth or acknowledgement of the fact that we're human, you know, you end up with a different culture and atmosphere than if you're in a place where that's okay.
So sometimes it's like, maybe the group norm doesn't, like your need isn't getting met, but maybe it's like having this discussion will help shift things and kind of reassess, like, maybe this should be okay for us to talk about this here. Maybe we should be able to talk about our mistakes or, you know, that kind of thing.
So I, as a thought, hopefully that was a cohesive thought right there. It was.
00:25:51 - Maelisa Hall
Yeah. No, I mean, I totally think you're right. And it's something that we can... You can practice in these inner circle groups and with people you know well. And that's also going to make you a better leader, a better business owner, a better family member, all of it.
00:26:07 - Amber Hawley
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