Meet My Bestie: Allison Puryear and Tiffany McLain

00:00:24 - Maelisa Hall
Welcome to season one of the My BizBestie podcast. I'm Melissa Hall.

00:00:28 - Amber Hawley
And I'm Amber Hawley.

00:00:30 - Maelisa Hall
And today, we are actually doing something a little bit different, and we are interviewing a different set of BizBesties. So this episode, we have Allison Pereer and Tiffany McLean on.
Hi, ladies. Hey. Hello. Allison and Tiffany are also both psychotherapists and they are biz besties and generally just awesome people that we have met before. Actually, Allison, have I even met you in person? I haven't, huh?

00:01:02 - Allison Puryear
No. No, I'm out here on the other side of the country.

00:01:04 - Maelisa Hall
Yeah, this whole online thing. You feel like you know people and then... I realize you've never even seen them IRL. But Allison and Tiffany are super fun. They're amazing. And I'm going to let you each introduce yourselves. Just give us an idea about what it is that you do.
And then we will get into how you two met and how you structure your relationship. And I know everyone is really excited to hear these different BizBestie stories. Tiffany, why don't we start with you?

00:01:31 - Tiffany McLain
Holy smokes. I was waiting for Allison. Okay. All right. But I can go. I can go. My name is Tiffany McLean. I have a private practice in San Francisco where I work with upwardly mobile people in tech. And my online business is HeyTiffany.com where I run a program called Lean In Make Bank where I help therapists get right with their money because therapists are shitty when it comes to earning money and creating a sustainable and profitable business.
So that's what I do.

00:01:55 - Amber Hawley
I will give that a little like hands up praise to that one. Yeah. I second that. The fact. I just did it. You can't see it, but I did it.

00:02:05 - Tiffany McLain
We believe you.

00:02:06 - Maelisa Hall
We believe you. Yeah, I do. Awesome. Awesome. And yes, I think all of us have multiple businesses, so we are all like-minded here. Thanks, Tiffany. Allison, why don't you tell us a little bit about what it is that you do?

00:02:18 - Allison Puryear
Yeah. So I'm Allison Pereer. I am also a therapist. I'm here in Asheville, North Carolina, and I work with women who are struggling with eating disorders. And I help therapists start their private practices, both like the skills and the confidence piece, because we're pretty resourceful people usually as therapists, but we get in our own way a lot.
That's the whole not making money piece like Tiffany talks about. So that's called Abundance Practice Building. And that's at abundancepracticebuilding.com and also at abundanceparty.com. I've got a membership site.

00:02:48 - Maelisa Hall
Yeah, I like your little play on words there.

00:02:53 - Amber Hawley
Thanks. Yeah, I think in our last episode, we talked a little bit about the structure of our relationship a little bit more.

00:02:59 - Maelisa Hall
Or the unstructured.

00:03:01 - Amber Hawley
Yeah, exactly. We actually are the unstructured structure. But I know that I always find so much value in talking to people and kind of hearing their stories or how they do things. And not so that we can just emulate it, but that we can actually... Realize that there are different ways of doing it.
And as we always say, it really has to be something that suits you and fits your needs and where you're at. So we're really excited today to hear a little bit more about, you know, how you guys met and how you structure your relationship.

00:03:29 - Tiffany McLain
That's very cool.

00:03:30 - Maelisa Hall
So why don't we start out with the story of how you two met?

00:03:34 - Allison Puryear
Awesome.

00:03:35 - Tiffany McLain
I think I instigated it, didn't I, Tiffany? I actually am excited to hear how you tell the story because, you know, there was a behind and this is what actually happened. And then there's a secret pining away behind the scenes that was going on on my part.
I don't know what was happening for you. Oh, nice. I like it.

00:03:51 - Maelisa Hall
Bringing a little drama to the My Biz Bestie podcast.

00:03:54 - Allison Puryear
I like it. Yeah, we definitely need some theme music.

00:03:57 - Maelisa Hall
I feel like it needs the young and the restless music.

00:04:00 - Allison Puryear
Yeah, that sounds good. Very dramatic.

00:04:02 - Maelisa Hall
Yes. Okay, go ahead.

00:04:04 - Allison Puryear
Well, I guess from my end, so I run a pretty large Facebook community called Abundance Practice Builders and somebody had posted, it might've been Tiffany, it might've been somebody else posting it, this amazing article that Tiffany wrote. And it was about money because that's Tiffany's specialty.
And what was it? The 10 myths? What is it, Tiffany? I think it's the 10 myths therapists believe when setting fees in private practice, something like that. Yeah. It's got a long, good title. And I started reading it and I was like, damn, this woman's good.
Yeah. Damn. And like every like bullet point or every heading, each of those myths, I was like, oh my God, she's so good. And so then I started being like, I've got to meet this woman and I've got to spread this far and wide because it's just too good for other therapists to not get a hold of and read and digest.
Awesome. Yeah. So I reached out and was like, hi, I want to know you.

In my typical awkward fashion.

00:04:55 - Maelisa Hall
Like over email, you were just like, hey, what's up?

00:04:57 - Allison Puryear
Totally.

00:04:58 - Tiffany McLain
Yeah. So it's interesting to hear. So I'm thinking back, I'm trying to think, what was the timeline of events? So I don't know what came first, but I do remember I knew about Allison. So, you know, I'm getting into the space and I'm nervous by all the ballers and big players, Allison, who is most certainly one.
And I was asked by Simple Practice to do a talk about money and Mindset? That's why I met you, Melissa. Actually, that's why I met both of you, Amber and Melissa. Yes, yes, and that's actually.

00:05:26 - Amber Hawley
We had our first like Biz bestie personal retreat, sharing a hotel room. Yeah, that was.

00:05:33 - Maelisa Hall
That was when Amber and I upleveled the relationship because she proposed that we actually stayed together overnight.

00:05:39 - Tiffany McLain
So that's where the wow. I'm gonna stop now before I cross some lines, but I just know I'm seeing what's happening here.

00:05:46 - Maelisa Hall
Everyone heard about that on our last episode, last week's episode.

00:05:51 - Tiffany McLain
I'm going to go back and listen to that with a little wine, maybe by the fireplace. Yeah, that's the way to do it. I had to go do that talk down at Santa Monica.

00:06:02 - Maelisa Hall
Which was excellent, by the way.

00:06:03 - Tiffany McLain
Thank you.

00:06:04 - Maelisa Hall
Thank you, too.

00:06:05 - Tiffany McLain
I actually didn't know note-taking could be exciting. Now I know. Truly, truly, that changed my game. So I was like, all right, there are some people who are in this field who are doing really well. I want to feature them and add value to their life. And then maybe in time, hopefully connect.
So Allison was one of the three therapists I featured for this thing. And at the time, I sent her an email saying, hey, I would love to feature your story. We didn't even talk at that time. She just emailed me back, maybe her people. I don't even know if I really talked to her, just one of her people.
And she wrote me some answers to that, and I used that to do my talk. And so I was secretly already then like, how can I get to know this woman? I love what she's doing, and I want to follow in her footsteps. And so I think maybe it was six months or so after that, I think, Allison, that you and I actually started talking.
Dude, I feel like a total asshole. No, that's okay. I'm just hiding away. I'm like the nerdy kid by the locker watching you walk by every day with your lipstick looking cool.

So that's why, you know, I was slowly trying to figure out, like, how can I actually add value? And not just be one of the folks who are mooching off everyone? And trying to make room for a whole bunch of people to do this thing together. And so that's kind of how I started seeing Allison way back in the day.

00:07:14 - Maelisa Hall
Nice, I love that you both were kind of like from afar, admiring one another, but then you did. You just reached out via email.

00:07:23 - Tiffany McLain
Is that creepy? No, I think it's awesome.

00:07:25 - Amber Hawley
Yeah, it's unrequited bestie.

00:07:28 - Tiffany McLain
Except it got requited, so that's good.

00:07:30 - Amber Hawley
Yeah, initially it started that way. I feel like there are a few good besties.

00:07:34 - Maelisa Hall
You can't take it to the next level without reaching out. Yeah, and there's a few good stories of that, like following one another online and then eventually making that move, that first move.

00:07:46 - Amber Hawley
I know that's why I stalk people online, with the hopes that one day... we can make that next move.

00:07:52 - Tiffany McLain
I'm still waiting for Jackman to call me up. So I'm just going to keep stalking.

00:07:57 - Maelisa Hall
So then how did it progress from there? So you both start talking over email.

00:08:04 - Allison Puryear
Yeah. I think we were like, Hey, we just started talking over email. And then we were like, it would be really fun to do something together. And that's when we came up with Next, which is this live event plus mastermind that we do every year for people whose practices are full, but they're looking at what's next for them in business.
And we did it out in San Francisco last year, and it was our first time actually meeting in person since we're across the country. Is that right, Tiffany? I think that's right.

00:08:28 - Tiffany McLain
I feel like even if we talked by email, it was for a short time because you are a busy person. So I feel like you might have even been like, let's just get on a call. And so- After that very first call we had, I think we were like, we got to do this thing.
What can we do? And Next was literally born out of our first face-to-face online conversation. And we were just stoked to get this thing going.

00:08:48 - Amber Hawley
I love that. I love it.

00:08:50 - Allison Puryear
And then you guys know with all the planning of any sort of live event event, I mean, there's enough with any sort of online business. But when you add a live event to it, there's just a ton more. And so we were talking weekly, at least, on Skype planning stuff.
And that was leading to multiple... She would send me these text messages with these little pictures, like cartoons of herself. And I'm like, how are you doing this? It looks just like you. And that's when she introduced me to Bitmoji. And that's how we have half of our conversations now.
That's true. Via Bitmoji. And she's a really good GIF giver. She'll shoot me a GIF that's like... Ridiculous. So yeah, we just started there and then finally met in person in San Francisco right before this huge, like not huge, it wasn't like millions of people came, not like that, but like huge for us.

It was high end. Yeah. Live event that we did. And I'd had all these like terrible experiences. Delays. And was like standing outside on the street, downtown San Francisco at one in the morning.

00:09:48 - Amber Hawley
And nonsense like, I remember you posting that?

00:09:53 - Allison Puryear
Yes, it was awful. And so I was like, Hi, I'm exhausted. Nice to finally meet you. I hope it's not weird. And it was awesome. Like, if you talk to Tiffany for two months and I'll like, get in your head and like, my bad. Yeah, psychoanalyst. She'll ask you all these really amazing questions and you're like stuck in your head forever.
And then you're like, oh, wait, you're here too. So glad you're here.

00:10:19 - Amber Hawley
Well, that's awesome. That's quite a risk, though, to decide to do a live event with somebody you've never even met. Although I do get that sometimes it feels like we've met people either just from Facebook or especially if you do like Zoom or Skype or something or FaceTime where you can actually see the person.
But that's still quite a risk.

00:10:37 - Allison Puryear
Yeah. And I think like one thing, I totally trusted Tiffany to be on top of the things that were like her responsibility. And I think that that's what it takes is like a respect for one another and a trust that somebody is going to get stuff done in any sort of business relationship.

00:10:51 - Maelisa Hall
Yeah, I think it probably helps that you both had sort of been admiring one another from afar. Like you each knew that you were both on top of your stuff, that you had good reputations, that you were, you know, doing things. It wasn't like you literally had no experience with this person whatsoever.
Yeah.

00:11:08 - Tiffany McLain
Right. That's right. I was always a person in school who hated group projects. I never wanted to work with anyone because I ended up being the one doing all the work and being so frustrated having to carry everyone around. And so I never as much as I wanted to have like a partner in business or like I thought that would be fun to do something to collaborate.
It's really hard to find people who are as manic. and active and willing to take responsibility and move forward as I am. So when I met Alison, we actually started talking. I'm like, holy shit. She's someone who's going to actually put her money where her mouth is and take action.
And I am too. So this is going to make this thing awesome if we do it together.

00:11:43 - Allison Puryear
Yeah. And we both love spreadsheets, which I think makes a difference. But they have to be pretty.

00:11:49 - Amber Hawley
That's good. I like it. I like it. But yeah, I mean, it's still, I know that a lot of people out there that are listening, you know, when you go around and talk to people or even thinking about some of the clients I have, it's still, that always can be such a hard thing for people is to risk, okay, how do I...
You know, how do I take something to the next level, let alone doing a live event, which is really huge. You know, no matter how many attendees, it's still a big endeavor. So what were some of the things that you feel? So was it just reputation stuff or the interactions you guys had together that made you feel like, yes, I absolutely trust this person that they're going to follow through and do what they need to do?

00:12:26 - Allison Puryear
I think for me, like in our initial conversations, it was so clear to me that we were the ones in projects doing all the work. growing up. That was both of us. We have a lot in common. We have a lot of differences too, but there's so much that we have in common and that we definitely shared.

00:12:41 - Amber Hawley
I feel like that should be a vetting question.

00:12:43 - Maelisa Hall
Yes, that is. That's like a high performer question right there.

00:12:47 - Amber Hawley
Yes. In a group project, which person would you be? I think that's a great question. That's awesome.

00:12:57 - Tiffany McLain
I think likewise. I'd already seen Allison creating amazing stuff. She was someone who I could see being successful in this space over and over again. And then on the call, I think even more, because I already knew she was a great business person, but her personality, like we just clicked in terms of being able to goof around together and switch from being able to goof around to also being direct and honest and straightforward.
So there's like a good balance of play and also getting work done, which is hard to do sometimes for people to switch back and forth between those two kind of ways of being.

00:13:27 - Maelisa Hall
Amen.

00:13:30 - Tiffany McLain
Honestly.

00:13:30 - Maelisa Hall
I feel like you're our mirror image.

00:13:32 - Allison Puryear
Yay! I think Tiffany inspired a lot of that for me because I'm so used to working alone. And I'm, by nature, more conflict avoidant. But at least the way that I've always perceived Tiffany is that she'll just say the thing that needs to be said and not get all verklempt about it.
Good word. Right? And so, yeah, I felt like it... Being in partnership with her with this project made me step up. She never called me to the mat to step up, but I was like, well, I've got to really show up and not be a wuss. I can tell her, well, that was really scary.
I can't believe I said that. And she'd be like, okay, I'm glad you said it.

00:14:15 - Amber Hawley
I do think that a mutual respect goes so far in a biz bestie relationship because you do like a marriage, right? Like a good marriage. You want to bring out the best in each other. and kind of show up in your best way for each other.

00:14:29 - Tiffany McLain
Yeah, absolutely. Alison, definitely, you know, working with her, definitely that project, the project we do together, both because I really respect working with Alison and also what we're doing with Next, like creating the community that I wish I had had in my beginning stages of practice and then also the next level of my practice.
I really am passionate about the idea of it. And so it really, all of those things, I step up for that, sadly, sometimes more than I do in my own solo projects. Yes.

00:14:54 - Amber Hawley
Oh, I get that. I absolutely get that.

00:14:58 - Tiffany McLain
But it's exciting.

00:14:59 - Amber Hawley
It's fun to have that person, especially when you are very goal-oriented as a person and you're somebody who can get things done yourself. But then having someone else to kind of collaborate with, that is a lot of fun instead of having to drag around all those group project people, right?

00:15:14 - Maelisa Hall
Right. And I think it sounds like one of the things that Amber and I have talked about too is like, it's really nice to find other people who are at your same pace. in business who are either maybe in hustle mode or it wouldn't work so well if one of you were like, I'm going to chill.
I'm not really interested in growing my business anymore. But it sounds like you both are really, you're interested in new things that are coming up. You were both willing to try this totally new thing to do a live event. And a lot of people would not be at a place in their business where they'd want to do that.

00:15:47 - Tiffany McLain
And I think it was a stretch for both of us. Allison had done live events before. Oh, yeah, I remember that now. Actually, I hopped on a webinar that Allison was doing with a couple of people who she was doing a live event with and engaged with folks there.
I was excited about the event they were doing. And I thought, oh, that would be cool to do a live event. But I had never done anything like it. And it's not something I don't think I would have been able to do that by myself for maybe years. And so to have someone to do that with also stepped my business up and allowed me to take risks that were super new to me and also exciting to have a buddy to do it with.

00:16:18 - Amber Hawley
That's a great point. Yeah. That you, it does help you kind of having different strengths in the relationship can help you cut a lot of that learning curve.

00:16:27 - Tiffany McLain
Right. And be willing to just take risks because we have each other. So it's almost like, even when we were thinking about pricing, I was like, you know, what do you think? And Allison's like, what do you think? And one of us puts out a number and then it's easy to be like, let's even make it more.
Right. Which is maybe scary to do by yourself, but we have a, especially I'm competitive and Allison's competitive too. So we also feed off that in terms of upping it, upping the level for each other. Yeah.

00:16:48 - Amber Hawley
I love it. I love it. That's so great.

00:16:50 - Allison Puryear
I still actually remember throwing out the number and being like, and you were like, how does that feel? And I was like, terrifying. And then like two weeks later, I'm like, what if we upped it 500 bucks? And you were like, let's do it.

00:17:05 - Amber Hawley
Oh, I love it. That's so great. So when you're not in live event mode or kind of planning mode, how do you, like, how often do you guys communicate and, you know, Obviously, we've learned Bitmoji is the way to go. From other people, we've heard Voxer.
Everybody's got a different thing, but I love it. So how do you guys communicate? What's your preference, I guess, and generally what you do? We're definitely texters, I would say.

00:17:31 - Allison Puryear
And Skypers. Yeah, I think we've talked on the phone maybe twice when I was like, hey, can I run this thing by you real quick? But otherwise, it's usually just texting. A lot.

00:17:40 - Tiffany McLain
And there's both the business piece that we're excited about. So for me to have a friend to like over, you know, starting to have friends who are also business people, it just makes everything more exciting. So we definitely talk about the business stuff.
But when we're not planning for next, we're also just talking about our lives. Allison sends me hilarious videos of her kids saying ridiculous shit. I send her pictures of videos of my boyfriend saying ridiculous shit. So, you know, like we kind of go into each other's lives and check in when things are getting a little crazy or just if there's something funny that's going on.

00:18:12 - Allison Puryear
Yeah. My four-year-old is a little bit obsessed with Tiffany. Aw. Like if I'm scrolling through my phone or Tiffany sends me a text and it's a bit moji, of course, she knows. She's like, oh, it's Tiffany. What's Tiffany doing?

00:18:25 - Amber Hawley
Pardon? That's so cute. I have to know, is the boyfriend, is that prompted or he just says ridiculous shit all on his own?

00:18:33 - Tiffany McLain
Actually, Allison over the holidays sent me a hilarious video of her kiddo looking in the oven at something. So then I made the same video, but with my boyfriend looking at the oven at something. So I'll, you know, just cast things on her.

00:18:45 - Amber Hawley
I don't have kids, so I gotta do what I can. Oh my gosh, I love that. I love that he's willing to go along with that. That says a lot about him.

00:18:52 - Tiffany McLain
Don't do anything I say. Come on, let's be real. That's fun.

00:18:54 - Amber Hawley
He sounds like a keeper. Yeah, exactly. That sounds super fun. We have that dynamic as well that I have three kids and Melissa has four babies. So we do exchange those different things, but yeah, not quite the same.

00:19:10 - Maelisa Hall
Absolutely. Yeah. Well, I don't know if my husband did. Maybe. It depends on what kind of mood he's in. He's not quite as cooperative, it sounds like.

00:19:20 - Tiffany McLain
He'll be fine.

00:19:21 - Maelisa Hall
Do you talk every day? Do you have, like any? Because I know some people have, like, accountability around it. It sounds like your relationship is fairly unstructured, similar to how Amber and I are.

00:19:36 - Allison Puryear
Yeah, we're pretty unstructured. Like, it's we'll go a few days without texting sometimes, and then it'll be like 37 texts in a day. And like, are trying to make our schedules meet with our busyness and our time zones, and. can be rough sometimes. And I try to keep the business conversation side of our relationship inside my business hours because I'm trying to have hard lines with those kinds of things lately.
And so sometimes that can be like the planning meetings, not just like if she needed to talk to me on a Saturday about an idea she had, I'd be like, yeah, call me. But yeah, it's nice too to have this friend that gets business and gets my ideal client.
Like she knows my ideal client. I don't have to like be like, well, but therapists are like this, you know, like she understands it in such a way that she can give me really good, smart feedback about business ideas I have for my solo projects.

And I really appreciate that because there just aren't, I only have a few other, maybe like two other friends who I could run that stuff by who really get it.

00:20:36 - Amber Hawley
Yeah. That makes a big difference. Yeah. Do you, have you, either of you ever had another biz bestie or have another one currently?

00:20:43 - Allison Puryear
I would say I have another one. No, we're polyamorous with our business relationships.

00:20:47 - Amber Hawley
It's an open relationship.

00:20:49 - Allison Puryear
It is an open relationship.

00:20:50 - Amber Hawley
It's okay as long as everyone knows. That's the key. Yeah.

00:20:54 - Allison Puryear
As the couples therapist. Yeah. My friend Jane, It's interesting because I know who to go to with what. Like Jane is really gentle and calm. And so when I need more gentle and calm kind of response, I'll go to Jane. Yeah. And I definitely know what to go to Tiffany for because I love that she will call me on my shit.
Like I need people in my life to call me on my shit. I married someone who would call me on my shit because I had too many – people I could just like get away with whatever. So yeah, I appreciate that in a friend. And also when I need that maternal spark, I'm like, Jane.

00:21:31 - Amber Hawley
I think that is a quality that is very, like, I think it's a wonderful quality for a biz bestie to have someone call you on your shit because that's how, you know, you need those checks and balances. because you're off doing this thing all by yourself.
And it's good to get that feedback, you know, but I do get I do get like, I think it's smart to, hey, today, I need a little bit of tender TLC, like I'm going to call someone else because that's not what I'm going to get over here. So I think that's a smart thing to do.
How about you, Tiffany? Do you have any other?

00:21:59 - Tiffany McLain
Are you cheating on her as well? I'm a Lothario a little bit, so I have lots of relationships. But in terms of collaborating, I've only thus far collaborated in a big thing with Allison. But, you know, again, I'm somebody who's pretty commitment phobic and I really am afraid to take risks with other people because so much can come up.
And so after having this relationship with Allison that worked out so well, it's actually allowed me to start imagining or when people reach out and say, Hey, would you be interested in doing this thing? I'm much more able to say, yeah, let me consider it because I now know what it feels like that it is possible to be able to be honest and direct and also work through things with people in a business relationship.
So it's opened me up to more folks actually.

00:22:39 - Maelisa Hall
That's really cool. Yeah. So it's like you have the, the positive relationship, the safe relationship to start with. And now you can, you can sort of step out and feel other things.

00:22:48 - Tiffany McLain
Exactly. Exactly. Yes.

00:22:50 - Amber Hawley
Yeah, and I think the way that we talk about having biz besties in this podcast is the idea of, of course, obviously, Melissa and I are doing a joint venture with the podcast. But a lot of the people we're talking to, it's not about having a joint business venture, but just having that person, like you said, Allison, who really gets your business and understands it.
And so you don't have to keep going through all of that and just gives you that support and valuable feedback when you need it. regardless of doing something together.

00:23:21 - Tiffany McLain
I went to a conference recently by a person I follow, Ramit Sethi. He's this guy who's very, he's very, he's very dudes dude. And so I'm like, I'll do my best. And like, you know, I like that kind of like Allison says, direct aggressive attitude. But I went to his conference, and I met all of these women who are in business.
And it was just amazing to me so many women like Allison, but in different businesses, and we're actually going to go to We rented this huge mansion in LA for March and like maybe eight of us are going down and we're just going to spend the whole weekend, like four or five days just hanging out, talking business, hanging out in the pool in the hot tub and like really get into this business world.
So again, it's opened me up to the other possibilities of like badass women entrepreneurs. And I know there are a lot of men too, but I had known of so many more men. And so now to start meeting so many cool women is amazing for me.

00:24:07 - Maelisa Hall
Oh, I love it. So you're doing like a GSD retreat as well.

00:24:10 - Tiffany McLain
Yeah, I guess so.

00:24:11 - Amber Hawley
That's awesome. Yeah. And I can imagine, I mean, Ramit was one of the first people that I started following when I first opened my business seven years ago. And I can imagine the kind of people that would go to his event would be really kind of hardcore, like ready to do business, not, you know, I think he would attract a really great crowd of people is what I guess I'm trying to say, as opposed to sometimes you go out there and it's kind of the like, you know, the sad, like, Debbie Downer.
Like, Oh, I'm so nervous about everything. And which is fine. But the non-therapist side of me is like, Hey, we're here to do business. Like, let's go, let's go. So I imagine that that's an amazing group of women.

00:24:53 - Maelisa Hall
And by the way, everyone, there is a picture of Tiffany interviewing Rami on stage.

00:24:58 - Tiffany McLain
It's the other way around. It's the other way around. Well, that's what it looks like.

00:25:03 - Maelisa Hall
And when I saw the picture, I was like, Holy shit. Like, Whoa, that's, Tiffany's up there with Ramit. And I think I even shared, didn't I share it with you, Amber? You did. I was like, damn, she's a baller.

00:25:13 - Tiffany McLain
I know. I was texting Allison too. I gotta go talk to him soon. Oh, so nervous.

00:25:18 - Allison Puryear
I think it's awesome. And then I'm like, how did it go?

00:25:20 - Tiffany McLain
How did it go? How did it go? What happened? We're getting married. We're getting married.

00:25:23 - Allison Puryear
Forget that other guy.

00:25:30 - Amber Hawley
She's like, I failed to tell you that's actually the guy.

00:25:33 - Allison Puryear
I think that would probably never happen. I can't imagine me doing videos for four-year-olds.

00:25:44 - Amber Hawley
No, no, not at all. Not at all.

00:25:47 - Maelisa Hall
Not unless they could purchase this program. But Ramit, if you're listening, prove us wrong. Yeah, I know. Exactly. Let's see some funny videos, Ramit.

00:25:59 - Amber Hawley
I love it. That's exciting. Well, it sounds like, you know, again, I think a lot of our listeners will be kind of relieved to hear this because we get a little... I love that you use the word manic because we can be a little cray-cray ourselves. And I think if they only listen to us, which is why we wanted to interview other biz besties, they might think that you have to talk every day, multiple times a day, and not everybody wants to do that.
So... I think it's super important for people to hear that you guys can have, you know, this really connected relationship and also do events together and not have to be in that space.

00:26:32 - Tiffany McLain
Absolutely.

00:26:33 - Allison Puryear
Yeah.

00:26:34 - Amber Hawley
Yeah.

00:26:35 - Allison Puryear
And we've seen each other through some hard times too, which I think is, you know, it can only help the business relationship because it brings us closer. Like we have higher levels of intimacy and that makes it safer. Cause I know she's not going to be like, if I'm like, I think I'd rather get a different caterer, you know, like, What would you say has been the most valuable thing that has come out of your relationship?

00:27:00 - Amber Hawley
Whoever wants to go first.

00:27:02 - Tiffany McLain
I'll say for me, it is this idea of having a person who pushes me and challenges me to do more than maybe what I would, definitely what I would feel comfortable doing by myself when I just get stuck in my own head. There are not too many people like Alison was saying who understand my audience, who I can run an idea by.
And although I don't take advantage of that with Alison as much as I now will, because I'm so used to just having to I got an idea in my head and then move forward and hope it's okay. So to have someone who I could actually say, here's what I'm thinking.
What do you think about this? That is entirely new to me. So there's both that and then also even just the idea of next or the idea that I can have a friend to hang out with and also make money. That is like the best dream of my life. So even imagining flying out to where Allison lives in her amazing new office, putting on a live event.
making great money, helping people, changing their lives, and then also hanging out and having fun.

It's just, it's like a dream that I didn't, I had fantasies that this is what business could be like, but now it's actually like, oh, this is actually what business can be like.

00:27:59 - Maelisa Hall
Yeah, it's amazing.

00:28:00 - Tiffany McLain
That's amazing. That's such a good answer.

00:28:03 - Amber Hawley
We could just say the same thing. I love it. But I think that's so great because you're, yeah, you're creating, maybe it's not even something you anticipated that would ever happen, but then you're creating this and it sounds like you guys have really just found, you found your biz bestie soulmate.

00:28:22 - Allison Puryear
Yeah.

00:28:23 - Maelisa Hall
And it's opened up new opportunities too, which is really cool.

00:28:27 - Allison Puryear
Yeah. Yeah. I think one of the things too, like in addition to what she said, because I feel like that just stole my answer. But like when we were, we'd been planning next and we were like, okay, so what is our, what's our launch system going to be? Like, how are we going to get this out there?
And so we decided on webinars and we did a webinar and we only had 12 slots. And after our first webinar, all like nine of the spots were full, which was amazing. Wow. It was incredible and super exciting. And then I do this thing where even when things are looking good, I get really anxious until it's all done.
I just need it full and then I can relax. And to have somebody to be like, oh, I'm a little bit worried. What if we don't get three people in these next four webinars? Which I know is ridiculous. But to have somebody else instead of just spinning around in my head with it, to have somebody be like, hi, there are these things called numbers.

Let's look at them. It was really helpful. So yeah.

00:29:23 - Maelisa Hall
That's fantastic. Oh, I love it, yeah. So it's kind of like the interior yang.

00:29:26 - Tiffany McLain
Little Tiffany in their pants pocket. Right? Little Tiffany in their pocket.

00:29:30 - Amber Hawley
Yes. I was like, we're getting back into the dirty stuff, people.

00:29:33 - Tiffany McLain
Either way.

00:29:34 - Amber Hawley
Oh, I love it.

00:29:38 - Tiffany McLain
I want to add for folks who are like, I want to biz bestie or I want to collaborate. I want to be clear that even though Alice and I are talking about it like it's magic, and I'll say that because it's rare for me to find someone who I could imagine doing a business relationship with or going into something like that.
I have been scared. I was scared the first six months until we ran the event. Like, what if we meet and we don't click at all? Or, you know, is this really making sense? Do we have to have a million contracts? Like, is it safe to just go on each other?
Like, all these have been questions in my mind. And it has been scary along the way to actually start getting to know and trust someone, like, in any relationship. So I also don't want to paint this like we clicked and it was magic from there on out.
There was still, like, having to get to know each other. And... running things by each other in a way where we're still trying to understand how each other responds and like, is this okay to say? And what about that? It's been a process. And so I also want for people who are interested in the idea, there is both chemistry involved, but again, it's like any relationship where it takes time to get to know each other and see if it feels like a great fit.

00:30:32 - Amber Hawley
I love that you add that.

00:30:33 - Allison Puryear
And I think that's one of the things too that's really different about Tiffany and I. We have a lot in common, like I said, but one of the things that's different is I'm more of like the open book type and she's like slower to trust. So I was like... You can move on in, you know, like we had one Skype conversation and I'm like, I just love Tiffany, you know?
And so if you're like ready to be like roommates and stuff. Totally. If you're slow to trust and you end up making a biz bestie friend that's like, let me tell you all the things ever, then know that like you don't have to reciprocate if you're not there yet.
So yeah, yeah.

00:31:07 - Amber Hawley
Well, it sounds like that's an important piece is that you, again, you both have these different strengths or you have different ways of approaching things, but you're both okay with how the other does it. And so it's okay to be at your own timeline. And I think that's an important thing.
But I love that you added that, Tiffany, because I do think it's important to, because people can say like, oh, it sounds so easy. You got so lucky. You met that, you know, biz bestie soulmate. But it's still the same risk as in any new relationship.
So I'm really glad that you added that.

00:31:39 - Maelisa Hall
Awesome. Yeah. And I was going to ask if anybody, like what your final thoughts were, but I think that's kind of a good one to end on.

00:31:45 - Tiffany McLain
Look at us. I'll say, I listened to a podcast recently that was talking about biz besties, actually. It's exciting for me to hear those things. And someone said something like, alone, you'll go faster, but together, you'll go farther. And that's been on my mind tons.
And it's something like, I like the idea of just manically rushing through things. And so having a partner, it does slow things down, but also it could actually create a lasting foundational thing. And so I've just been thinking about that, whoever that was that said that on that podcast.
I've been thinking about it a lot, and I think it's right on.

00:32:12 - Amber Hawley
Wow. Well, that's a great value bomb to end with. Thanks so much for that. So I just want to thank you guys for being our first duo that we interviewed. I know that logistically, this was kind of a difficult one because we can't see each other and trying to give space for four people to talk can kind of be difficult.
So I really appreciate you being our guinea pigs. But I think this was really awesome. And I think our audience is really going to appreciate hearing a different Structure and way of going about this biz bestie thing.

00:32:42 - Allison Puryear
Absolutely yeah, thank you, thanks so much for having us.

00:32:44 - Amber Hawley
Yes, and definitely, we will link all of your information in our show notes. Especially for all of those therapists out there who want to find out more information about the next event. Because that sounds amazing. And also to all of your websites and information as well.
Okay, so if you ladies would do us a favor and tell us the best place that someone could get a hold of you if they wanted to find out all the amazingness you're doing.

00:33:10 - Tiffany McLain
Yeah, definitely. You can check us out at www.heytiffany.com forward slash next 2018. And you can get on the waiting list there and learn all about next. You can also send us an email. Allison, where can they reach you? Hello at abundancepracticebuilding.
com. And you can find me at Tiffany at heytiffany.com.

00:33:25 - Maelisa Hall
So thanks for listening, everyone. We hope you enjoyed hearing about this other side of BizBestie relationships. And we are really excited in 2018 to bring you more BizBestie stories. So we would love it if you would obviously subscribe to the podcast.
If you haven't already, what the heck are you doing? And... Beyond that, if you want to share this with someone who is either your biz bestie, maybe someone you want a biz bestie, or just somebody who maybe would find this interview helpful, please go ahead and share this episode with them.
And we will catch you next week. Thank you.